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So wednesday 20:00 somewhere at Solsiden seems to ...

2010-01-26T17:53:31.302+01:00

So wednesday 20:00 somewhere at Solsiden seems to be what we agree on.

Tuesday or wednesday evening are ok for me (after ...

2010-01-25T22:27:41.593+01:00

Tuesday or wednesday evening are ok for me (after eight'ish) ?

I'm in! I've got a Guitar Hero controlle...

2010-01-25T21:51:28.335+01:00

I'm in!

I've got a Guitar Hero controller gathering dust.

Sounds good to me!

2010-01-25T12:18:17.310+01:00

Sounds good to me!

Turns out I don't need to go to Oslo until wed...

2010-01-25T11:45:50.475+01:00

Turns out I don't need to go to Oslo until wednesday evening or early thursday morning.

How about getting together tomorrow (tuesday) to discuss some ideas? I can possibly do wednesday as well.

@AndersM I _was_ suggesting to Bjøn that we call t...

2010-01-25T09:24:23.309+01:00

@AndersM I _was_ suggesting to Bjøn that we call the band "Disaster Area". I might need to spend a year legally dead for tax reasons, so it could work out in other areas too!

2010-01-25T09:14:58.952+01:00

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Bwahahah. I can't wait for your first concert....

2010-01-25T09:07:56.371+01:00

Bwahahah. I can't wait for your first concert. Sounds like something out of THHGTTG: Best enjoyed in a reinforced concrete bunker some thirty-seven miles away from the stage.

> Do you have any idea about size <-> dec...

2010-01-24T18:11:55.157+01:00

> Do you have any idea about size <-> decibel mapping on these things?

Nope. Only one way to find out :)

Regarding the IGBT's, It seems that you can buy used ones on ebay for approx 1/10 the price. These relatively large modules normally cost 459 USD each from DigiKey
(http://tinyurl.com/yc4z2za). Some of them contain lead, so it might be difficult to import them via normal channels.

I also ordered a new version of the DRSSTC book from eastern voltage research that contains schematics and info for the "miniBrute" coil. It's small, but seems to pack a big punch (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIs-1c-CC3Q). It can also be modulated (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e84Bvc35Tlo)

@HansJ: well, you obviously know a lot more about ...

2010-01-24T16:32:36.064+01:00

@HansJ: well, you obviously know a lot more about tesla coils and various other high voltage applications than I do, so you would be able to help us understand what knowledge we need to acquire.

I am generally not worried about embarking on something I know little about. We'll learn what we'll need to learn on the way and there are bound to be knowledgeable people along the way we can recruit :)

Starting with a proven design sounds like a good idea.

@HansJ My understanding is that you have done this...

2010-01-24T15:23:41.304+01:00

@HansJ My understanding is that you have done this before, which is more than can be said for any of us :-)

Do you have any idea about size <-> decibel mapping on these things? I

The more I read, the more convinced I am that we s...

2010-01-24T15:09:56.234+01:00

The more I read, the more convinced I am that we should start out with a proven design.

Ps. Regarding the "educating" bit, you have to keep in mind that I have no formal background in electronics. I'm primarily a software guy (stalehd might disagree...;) This is just something I do for fun - and to keep sane.

@HansJ We should have a brainstorming session whe...

2010-01-24T14:53:48.573+01:00

@HansJ

We should have a brainstorming session where you educate us on the engineering tradeoffs we need to make and where we can do some back of the envelope calculations with regard to cost -- and possible fatalities :).

If going large is too expensive/dangerous, we can greate a wow-factor by having more coils. Most acts I've seen use one or two coils. I think having 4 coils of reasonable size would be impressive in its own right.

I'm also curious as to what can be done (musically and visually) with jacobs ladders. In particular if we put them inside translucent tubes and vary the length of the tube (with some actuator system) for musical effect. Also if we add some microphones to that and run the resulting audio through some sound-processing chain in Ableton Live or similar.... :-)

I have been checking up a bit on the avilability o...

2010-01-24T14:40:37.666+01:00

I have been checking up a bit on the avilability of some of the more "exotic" parts we'll need for the coils.

The most expensive piece of electronics are the IGBT transistors. These are high efficiency überfast switching transistors that typically can handle acouple of hundred amps at 600/1200V.

The HGT1N40N60's that are specified in the original DRSSTC are now obsolete, but equivalent ones costs about 200 NOK each (600V/100A. These are single IGBT transistors, and we'll need 4 of them for the drive cirquitry. If we don't implement some form of overvoltage/overcurrent protection, they will let out smoke afte a while. It might be
possible to connect several of them in parallell to handle the load if we're scaling up. This may be cheaper than purchasing larger IGBT modules.

If you want to go really over the top, you could get four 6500V/1200A IGBT modules and end up with a 44KW coil. This would set you back approx 470KNOK and might requre som sponsors :D

Add some cowbell and I'm in. :-D

2010-01-23T13:18:28.125+01:00

Add some cowbell and I'm in. :-D

@HansJ Hey! Great to see you here! We were talki...

2010-01-23T00:42:41.604+01:00

@HansJ

Hey! Great to see you here! We were talking about having a meeting with the people from TEKS next week, but they have some deadlines that they need to attend to. So we are going to meet them in week 6. They were into our ideas of setting up a "hacking space".

Of course, that doesn't mean Matt, Ståle, you and I can't meet earlier. I'll be in town monday and tuesday next week.

As for tesla coils, yes modulation would be a requirement. Perhaps we should build a few smaller prototypes to learn before going big?

We probably should give audience safety a thought. Probably.

I did think about building some MIDI-controllable actuators for a real drum set. But I would rather do the percussive instruments by way of explosions.

I have to say that I did not consider a brass section, but playing a pulse-jet engine sounds just like the sort of irresponsible and dangerous thing that I'd love to do :-)

If modulation is a requirement, we have to go soli...

2010-01-23T00:01:39.593+01:00

If modulation is a requirement, we have to go solid state. This is new territory for me in a Tesla context, but I've wanted to build one since I laid my hands on McCauley's DRSSTC book. I've also regretted never having learned to play an instrument. In other words - I'm in.

Circuit boards for relatively small solid state coils (3-4 foot streamers) are available commercially, but this is hardly "over the top". It's also much more rewarding to design and build something from scratch than to just assemble "off the shelf"'ish components.
I believe people have attempted 48KW versions of this design. 10KW produced 30 foot streamers according to a post in the tesla list archives at
www.pupman.com

The solid state coils are a bit more complex (some orders of magnitude IMHO...) than the traditional coils, so we'll need to do some research into the driver circuitry and how to scale up existing designs.

When do we meet ?

PS. These devices are downright scary. They will put the fear of God into hardliner atheists. In a "musical instrument" setting they have the capacity to kill you - as well as members of the audience :)

PPS. Do you plan on having a horn section ? I don't believe anyone has ever attempted to interface a midi controller to the "schnorkel" of a pulse jet - yet.

You could make it into an art project by putting a...

2010-01-22T22:38:58.975+01:00

You could make it into an art project by putting a 3G receiver into the mix and playing the white noise on the thing.

Don't forget the fire -- we want this to be th...

2010-01-22T21:37:17.472+01:00

Don't forget the fire -- we want this to be the most dangerous piece of music ever!